Split level

johannafikkers
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Split level

Postby johannafikkers » January 1st, 2018, 9:13 pm

Hi, Just wondering how to add a split level to my house design?
We live on a sloped block so the house is ground level from the front but then is effectively 3 levels at the back.
We step down from the back of the main house about 6 steps (1.2m) to an outdoor area which has the same roof height as the main house (like a sunken room), then there are another 6 steps (1.2m) or so that takes you to the under house storage area.

I'm trying to model this sunken outdoor area as this is the space we want to renovate.

I cannot figure out how to set the room floor level as 1.2m lower than the main house but the same roof height. The Elevation on floor won't let me set anything past 0.2m ?? Am I doing something wrong? Seems like I should be able to set it for a lower amount than that?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Split level

Postby dougdownunder » February 4th, 2018, 6:00 pm

Hi Mate, i spent hours and hours on this last year and contacted igor at belight but the software does not support split levels. which is a real shame because it's a great program and as a house designer it is my quick go too.
Maybe if more people ask them they might make it happen.

Only thing you can do is sunken floor area inside walls.
If you have any luck please let me know as i have project on go as well.

Kind regard

Doug
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Re: Split level

Postby HSIEGEL » March 29th, 2018, 12:11 pm

I also have this problem. We have a "sunken" den and I can't lower it on my layout beyond a very limited depth DESPITE the video saying otherwise. Very frustrating to spend a lot of time modeling my home only to hit this obstacle that essentially ruins the plan!
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Re: Split level

Postby GregR60 » March 29th, 2018, 8:30 pm

I am clearly not the only one having trouble with this.
It should be a standard, surely, that one 'storey' could have differing floor levels?
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Re: Split level

Postby Igor Lizunov » April 5th, 2018, 9:53 am

The program does not allow you to set up the wall height directly. All Story Walls on each story have the same height equal to the story height. To change it, use the Building Properties tab in the Inspector. The height of a Loft Wall is limited by the roof located on the same story above the wall. If there is no roof, the height of a Loft Wall is equal to the story height.
To create a short wall, add a Building Block of the appropriate size. It is important to note that you will not be able to install any object like a door or opening into a Building Block. Building Blocks cannot connect to walls.

But there is a workaround to create separate levels. In case of small levels difference on the first story, you can set negative elevation for a floor object:
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and compensate this by adjusting Elevation and Foundation parameters on Building tab:
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If the difference in levels is bigger, you can draw the additional story and a ceiling opening between it and the story below:
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Re: Split level

Postby Vini120 » May 5th, 2018, 11:46 am

Hi Igor, it is not clear to me how you created these "split levels". Could you run the step-by-step approach please? Or create a video.

My project has 3 levels : an 8' basement (that 5 feet in ground and 3 feet out of the ground, a ground floor (that starts at 3 feet from the ground, on top of the basement), but also a garage on the side of the house that is flush to the ground.

I think this issue is a real concern for people that have payed a license for the pro version and are stuck on this very common design.

Detailed help would be greatly appreciated,

Thanks!
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Re: Split level

Postby Roustaboutpusher » May 5th, 2018, 2:45 pm

Hi. May be I can help you a bit, till the staff is available after the weekend. I enclose 6 screenshots that should explain the strategy of creating split levels. Please ask again if anything is unclear.
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Re: Split level

Postby Roustaboutpusher » May 5th, 2018, 2:47 pm

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Re: Split level

Postby Roustaboutpusher » May 5th, 2018, 3:04 pm

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Re: Split level

Postby alex_b » May 5th, 2018, 5:42 pm

@Igor

The suggestion to use negative floor elevation has a massive drawback that makes it useless unfortunately - the walls do not follow the floor level so you get your mouldings hanging in the middle and under them a section of excavated floor. I do not know how to explain it better but hopefully you understand. If the walls were attached to the floor level after you change elevation then your suggestion would work just fine. I hope this is fixable in the software.


Re the other way of merging floors - once again you end up with two walls (coming from the two floors you merged) and a section of opening which is impossible to get rid of and it has the same material all the way around. You also cannot have doors and windows spanning two floors.


For my project I would be very happy if the bug with floor elevation was fixed. The floor merging problem is much more difficult I presume but luckily my project does not require that.
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Re: Split level

Postby Roustaboutpusher » May 6th, 2018, 12:29 am

I would like to pinpoint one thing. The method I showed will work excellent, but when cutting out the ceilings you have to do it inside the walls. E.g if you have four rooms you have to make four cutouts. Se the attached screenshots. If you do that, there will be no issue with doors, windows and walls.
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Re: Split level

Postby Roustaboutpusher » May 6th, 2018, 12:30 am

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Re: Split level

Postby alex_b » May 9th, 2018, 12:38 pm

Thanks Roustaboutpusher for details.

It took me a few attempts and loads of fiddling but I finally got it working. Can't say it is straight forward though. The main problem I faced was that after making the opening and removing the mouldings from the middle of the wall the slab is still there. So if I want to put a material on the wall I have to apply it to two walls and the insides of the opening. The catch though is that the opening is the same material all around so having different materials applied to different walls of the room does not work. I ended up inventing another trick - having four triangular openings. Now I can apply different materials to the walls. Of course an alternative to it would be to use wall panels everywhere but I do not know what's more works - making cut outs in them for all windows and doors or fiddling with openings. BTW the openings cannot be just simply all coming together in the middle as it creates some weird strips displayed across the room so I had to overlap them in various way until the problem was gone.

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Re: Split level

Postby Roustaboutpusher » May 10th, 2018, 5:13 am

Well done, that was a really useful trick. Thanks for shearing.

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