Problem with imposition…

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Postby Jean-Jacques Boutaud » April 30th, 2007, 4:16 am

Hi Nick,
I've some problems when using imposition with a square (so width=height) document.
- I make a 120 mm x 120 mm page size document like this one (bleeds = 5mm):

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- Add some pages (for a total of four pages)
- then use Imposition to print these pages.
What I get is this:

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See how the pages are rotated.
To get the right result, I have to change the page size to make the width and height not equal. So I change the height to 120,1 mm and get this:

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Two other problems:
- if I set height/width to xx.0y cm (using th Manage Custom Size… from the Page Setup pane) I get xx.y0 cm in the File>Document Setup… (ex.: 120.05 -> 120.50).
- in the example seen above, the bleed parts (blue/tan areas) aren't displayed.
You see a 120 x 240 mm with 8 mm cutmarks but nothing in this Bleeds area.
No problem when not using Bleeds without Imposition:

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Any idea?
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Postby Nick » May 2nd, 2007, 6:41 am

Hi Jean-Jacques,
Thanks for information!

The problem with the page orientetion at printing with imposition is clear. I think it will be fixed in the next update.

Problem with custom page size
When I tried to reproduce the problem one, I found how could happen the problem two. In my case, the size was correct. But, it seems, you changed page size by opening Page Setup directly and then checked the size in Document Setup.
The problem is that Document Setup does not apply new page dimensions because it "thinks" that nothing changed (paper format name was not changed). When you click the Page Setup button in the Document Setup, page size is updated correctly.
Please check if I am right or wrong.

I'll discuss the problem 3 with programmers. For now, SP lays pages to produce a booklet, and then applies bleeds to the booklet page.

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Postby Jean-Jacques Boutaud » May 2nd, 2007, 12:17 pm

Hi Nick,

2. Problem with custom page size:
I made a mistake, there's no problem in SP, just me, wrongly converting the value from cm to mm (12.05 cm -> 120.50 mm).

3. I don't understand your answer:
Is it impossible to use imposition+cutmarks+bleeds in the same document?
If yes, any hope that this'll be corrected in a next update?

TIA
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Postby Nick » May 3rd, 2007, 10:30 am

Hi,
Imposition and cut marks - there should not be problems.

Imposition and bleeds - bleeds are applied to the booklet page, not to the original page.
If you have a page on which the background image goes 1 cm outside the page, printing without imposition with 1 cm bleeds, you'll get the whole image printed.
With imposition, the background image will be cut at the page edge. Then a booklet page will be formed from two original pages. Finally, bleeds (with cut marks if set) are added to the booklet page. You will not see the background image outside the former small page - bleeds of the booklet page are blank - because parts of image outside the page were previously cut.

I think, we'll correct this in one of next updates (not in 2.1 (260)).

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Postby Jean-Jacques Boutaud » May 10th, 2007, 2:02 am

Nick wrote:Hi Jean-Jacques,
Thanks for information!

The problem with the page orientetion at printing with imposition is clear. I think it will be fixed in the next update.

Nick

Hi,
Nice to see that this problem is now solved in v2.1 :^)
Thanks.
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Postby Jean-Jacques Boutaud » May 10th, 2007, 2:06 am

Nick wrote:Hi,
Imposition and cut marks - there should not be problems.

Imposition and bleeds - bleeds are applied to the booklet page, not to the original page.
If you have a page on which the background image goes 1 cm outside the page, printing without imposition with 1 cm bleeds, you'll get the whole image printed.
With imposition, the background image will be cut at the page edge. Then a booklet page will be formed from two original pages. Finally, bleeds (with cut marks if set) are added to the booklet page. You will not see the background image outside the former small page - bleeds of the booklet page are blank - because parts of image outside the page were previously cut.

I think, we'll correct this in one of next updates (not in 2.1 (260)).

Nick

Hi Nick,
Perhaps reversing the order of the processes (firstly generating the bleeds then the booklet then the cutmarks) should be the solution (not necessary a so easy task).
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Postby Nick » May 10th, 2007, 3:14 am

Hi,
We haven't defined yet how to correct this. Maybe, we change the order of steps in the process (as you suggested), or introduce additional bleed settings for imposition.

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Postby Jean-Jacques Boutaud » May 10th, 2007, 3:28 am

Hi Nick,
Additional settings could include (imho) some optional items as:
- date/time (related to the date/time user made the print/pdf)
- document name or filename
- perhaps some more "professional" items (as color bars…)
By optional, I mean using checkboxes to select each of them as in Acrobat (Pro) or Illustrator for ex.
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